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Snowden Todd's avatar

I think people should be allowed to comment on other countries as they please. I’m from the US and enjoy reading what people have to say about it even if I disagree. External observers see things that we don’t always notice.

Of course you’re free to just ignore it if you don’t think I’m qualified to opine.

BTW my gf is Jewish, so not quite central casting.

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Ham's avatar

While the benefits of low-wage working immigrants for the economy as a whole are basically indisputable, the idea that wage competition benefits the specific class where competition exists, is not. Even the CATO study everyone loves to trot out concedes that mass immigration did not have clear benefits for low-wage born Americans, and if anything probably suppresses their wages a bit.

America is itself a weird example since there are a thousand things (geography/density/corporate competition/etc) that differ from South Korea. However, I've lived in upper-middle striver neighborhoods basically my entire life, diverse with a strong Asian bias, a fair number of Hispanics, and a few Black children of NBA/NFL/etc athletes. The exposure of those Japanese, Korean, and Chinese American children to non-East Asian Americas has done nothing to encourage their distribution into lower-status work, as all studies of their median incomes within America indicate. In non-striver American neighborhoods, segregation of demographics is even more apparent, without any central authority telling them to do so; Blacks, Hispanics, Whites have sharp ethnic lines drawn in just about any large urban area in the country.

On a national level, Singapore would seemingly be a fairer comparison as a much smaller and city-dense Asian country; extremely diverse and stratified with ethnic Chinese and Anglo Singaporeans on top, and poorer Malays doing menial labor. Those same Malays are also majority Muslim, which is in and of itself a massive advantage in terms of reducing suicide. South Korea could import people from cultures which do not prioritize their extreme study ethic, and accordingly bring down averages of suicide, wages not commensurate with over-qualified degrees, etc for the *national average*, but I don't see any evidence that such values would be transmitted from the lower classes to the higher classes in the aggregate.

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